We have lost our basis for Truth. After all, free speech really only applies if it conforms to cultural norms. Ive directed F/E seven years and been in CC 9 years. If I did not think this way, I would find another co-op or go back to home-based schooling through Veritas Press. Several were reluctant to speak on-the-record because CC had required them to sign a non-disclosure agreement. For his part, Brown affirms how the education company made it right when his church faced a massive tax assessmenteven as he calls them to a higher standard. The founding documents will be our final authority and all will be well. Classical Conversations Inc. (CC), a leading homeschool education company, is knowingly exposing unsuspecting churches that host its programs to major tax liabilities. I think I will take the article to my third sons Challenge I class and have them find the fallacies and biases. What now? A total of $87,000,000 is being generated in our churches yearly and is split between the business of CC corporate, the business of the director, and the business of the tutors. CC needs to maintain that balance between keeping willing customers and maximizing CCs income. However, both he and the company declined to answer specific questions regarding specific incidents described in this report. He does so far more perfectly than I ever could. We have abandoned our biblical foundations by disputing, denying, distorting, and finally discarding Gods principles. Meanwhile, CC is taking in millions in what whistleblowers and insiders allege is a multi-level marketing (MLM) scheme. The reason CC community businesses dont just convert to nonprofits is bc they cant stand the transparency/scrutiny (financial and ethical) that a true nonprofit board would bring. All rights reserved. I as a director have not felt exploited. But then I suspect you cannot. I also have no regrets, but my lack of regrets is due to leaving CC after 9 years. Southern Pines, NC 28387 Both SRs and ARs are paid by commission. CC meets a need for so many who are just getting started or need some structure. In 2016, Fremont Presbyterian Church in Sacramento, California, discovered this the hard way. Hopefully there will be some accountability soon. As to weddings or funerals, those activities are germane to a churchs purpose as nonprofit attorney Michelle Adams addressed. There are instances when Christians have made intentional decisions to disobey state laws. Churches assume they will get the full exemption, but its dependent on how the property is used, Sacramento County Chief Appraiser Jill Dolce said in a phone interview. They get put on SMART plans. All Im doing is advertising for somebody elses program.. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. To donate, click here. Exactly, its amazing judging by the posts on this article how easily the church rolls over for Caesar. However, Palmer never signed a contract, and she still became a paid CC tutor for one year. Brown said Bortins responded by promptly paying the entire $85,000 tax assessment. But according to our months-long investigation, which included speaking with over a dozen former CC contractors, three county tax assessors in two states, and multiple outside experts, CC hasnt amended its ways. In an interview with The Roys Report, Brown said he told Bortins: You came into our facility. It doesnt come easy, and I feel like the pushbacks Ive had to make are justified and worth putting my role on the line to protect the people in my community. This would also decrease CC Incs income greatly. We have fallen back on our own founding documents as the yardstick by which to measure right and wrong. And many local directors have gotten in way over their head. And now, even our Constitution is in the crosshairs, ready to be discarded. Four days later, Palmer agreed via correspondence to stand down and not send further e-mails. Ahhh nothing says Christian like the profit motive and pure godly intimidation. Friday, 20 September, 2013 in Big Ideas: Truth, Beauty, Goodness and more! https://docdro.id/ncBKRI6. Her work at home deviated pretty far from doing just CC. Southern Pines, NC 28387 $39.99 + $4.99 shipping . What makes CC Inc. different is theyre not just a curriculum seller, said Carol Topp, who has specialized in serving homeschool families and leaders for the past 16 years. However, I do not miss the stress my children were placed under, nor the stress I saw on the faces of friends who were trying to recruit and meet goals when all they wanted to do was teach. (As of May 14, 2019). We must persevere so they will be girded with the belt of truth, the shield of faith, and the sword of the Spirit4. We equip homeschool parents with the confidence to raise bright, observant students who have a lifelong love of learning. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. Even if not all were religious, there was at least a pervading belief in the rightness of biblical principle. What he really meant was that homosexual acts of lust are sinful. The moms, Tutors and Director have truly been encouraging and most accepting of this old grandma and her granddaughter. Do you begin to feel uneasiness at that kind of money being generated in our churches? I was all over the place for my first six years of homeschooling. Posted by Brian Tonnell on Classical Conversations Inc. (CC), a leading homeschool education company, is knowingly exposing unsuspecting churches that host its programs to major tax liabilities, according to a California pastor, several former CC directors, and tax and legal professionals who recently spoke with The Roys Report. Ugh. They are not an employee although they get some cash to try to help balance the extra responsibility on top of a regular cc moms. I was told by my SR the year that I left CC that new moms make great directors because they are more pliable. Ferguson, however, disagreed that the company exerts unhealthy pressure. Further, the county later refunded that amount after Brown personally pleaded his case to the county tax assessment board and their local CC chapter converted to nonprofit status. Our home education program covers K-4 to college credit and includes college degree opportunities for parents, as well. I am a conservative and I love homeschooling. // Apparently to mitigate liabilities, chapters *can* and have been at times converted to non-profit chapters to avoid the tax risk why is that not a viable solution? She said CC representatives accused them of being outside the will of the Lord, which spread and caused even her kids to lose friendships. The process of discarding our Constitution is occurring in the same manner that Adam and Eve discarded Gods words. Of course, we would not expect to hear anyone advocating the abandonment of our Constitution. You are here Home Articles Our Mission To reply to a few specific comments: 1. // Education *is* discipleship, always. CC also buried the ebook on its website, according to Topp. . From the bottom of my heart I thank you and wish I could meet you in person to thank you for how much your comment has helped me. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! They also can hide misconduct or. Brown said when he met with the county assessors office in Oakland, he advanced a novel argument that caused the county to refund the taxes. They do not. After all, pursuing happiness is, The Department of Justice can distribute an internal memo directing employees to verbally acknowledge homosexuality as a valid lifestyle, because silence on the matter will be interpreted as disapproval, We have abandoned our biblical foundations by disputing, denying, distorting, and finally discarding Gods principles. After the 19-20 school year, I made up my mind to be done with CC unless the year was beautiful educationally because of CC. Without it, they would make much much less. Similarly, CC representatives online have come down on anyone who finds a wrinkle in their dues-paying network, some parents allege. Youve landed on the Classical Conversations member site that is dedicated to supporting our international members. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Jessie Johnson, teaching pastor at Immanuel Bible Church in Springfield, Virginia, rejects the idea of a Christian nation. Many tax assessors have determined that families who wish to use church facilities as meeting spaces are able to do so, as our faith-based curriculum helps to further the primary and principal use of each church property, religious worship. Classical Conversations fulfills its mission by curating curriculum, providing services and training parents to build flourishing homeschool communities. Submitting first our own bodies, minds, and spirits to the work of Christ as we join the great classical conversations of history. According to her, many of those clients have been liable for unpaid state and federal income taxes. In each state, SRs report up to statewide or regional area representatives (ARs). When you homeschool with Classical Conversations, we connect you with a local community of like-minded families who not only learn together, but do life together. This writing is my opinion, but I hope some may find it helpful to ponder along with me. Give a gift of any amount to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive In the House of Friends: Understanding and Healing from Spiritual Abuse in Christian Churches by Kenneth Garrett. Her third year was horrible. We have benefitted from seasoned home educators pouring into us as a young family and now find satisfaction sharing our strengths and struggles with others. Built on FamilyBuilt for Families Classical Conversations is a proven Christian homeschool program created by parents for parents. Among them are Bothur. ), I wish this article was about exposing draconian tax laws instead of criticizing CC. Communities are limited to the size they are, so if any director had a hard time keeping people it may not be the company that was the issue.7 years Ive have a maxed out community100% full with a wait list and 2 other communities in the same town as me which I constantly referred other families to join. Our Christ-centered homeschool curriculum is rooted in the classical model and is in tune with the way children naturally learn. . The Roys Report also reached out to ADF to request an interview about their involvement with CC and partner churches, but ADFs media relations contact said the legal group has no comment at this time. After all, religious freedom, If a child in California or New Jersey struggles with gender confusion issues, the government now says it is illegal for a professional counselor to attempt to restore peace in that childs soul. The idea that there is a Truth higher than our own, that man is not the final authority was thrown under the bus. Bishop Stewart Ruch III of the Anglican, Non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) have been increasingly used to muzzle people within evangelical churches and Christian organizations. Meals were provided, children were picked up and dropped off, and we were flooded with calls, emails, and notes of encouragement from our leadership and friends. I see a lot of these here on various stories about various institutions. Please, I beg you, do something to stop this.. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Her second year was ok. She still got it and really owned it. Hence, Gods mandate against sexual immorality has been discarded. Can we reverse this trend? That is the kind of Org I would want to work with when endeavoring upon the subversive act of christian education in a secular situation that can barely tolerate it. When you homeschool with Classical Conversations, we connect you with a local community of like-minded families who not only learn together, but do life together. These are warning signs that Topp has seen with CC for years. According to Veale, SRs and ARs have to make bonuses to earn a decent wagebut CC sets bonuses just out of reach. An error was made in the initial data supplied for the data table, which resulted in slightly different numbers reported at initial publication. Give the Biblical and Constitutional reasons why you think churches should be tax-free Remember what Jesus said about rendering of taxes unto Caeser? And when a CC contractor tried to warn churches about what was happening, CC went on the attack. Aware of these issues, Topp said she offered her expertise to the CC networkonly to see her work buried. Hola, cmo puedo ayudarlo? The idea that there is a Truth higher than our own, that man is, Do our founding documents really acknowledge a right to life, the free exercise of religion, the right to pursue happiness, the freedom of speech? Challenging entire families to cultivate the art of wisdom through knowledge and understanding. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Having been in CC for 8 years, tutored 2, directed FE 3 going on 4 I think Ive been through the gamut of what CCs structure and business model holds. When you hear the word rhetoric, what do you think of? You will be hard-pressed to argue that tax-free or not somehow prohibits the free exercise of religion per the 1A. P.S. Similarly, California statewide tax assessor Margie Wing stated that whether CCs religious-based instruction aligns with a churchs mission does not guide her boards evaluation. Believing it would be promoted to all directors, Topp agreed and delivered the content in early 2018. If I was the tax guy I would have said . When averaged, the directors collected about $20,000 in tuition and fees during a school year. In 2020, a CC representative in North Carolina tried to use Browns same argument with his local taxing body, but it did not work. Though property tax exemptions vary and are determined by state and sometimes county laws, she said assessors generally frown on a for-profit business, like CC and its communities, benefiting from use of tax-exempt property. The preferential treatment allotted to some families is damaging to the rest of the class and community. If a director purchased her own building for her business, would we see it be granted a property tax exemption? Over the years, dozens of former CC contractors have called out CCs alleged exploitative business practices, including on The Spiritual Sounding Board, Kristi Bothurs blog and JJ Veales blog. Classical education embodies the most natural tools of learning. CPA Topp concurs that such a move has helped other homeschool groups resolve similar cases. I do not intend them to be presented as facts of certainty, but as logical estimates for discussion purposes. Truth is required to inculcate wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. Alas as you can probably tell! Please see the notes below on the calculations, assumptions, and figures used to come up with these estimates. Im not getting income out of it. My children and my community are like family to me. $12,428,500. Christian author John Piper gives a survey of these issues in his article, Obey the Government for Gods Sake. https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/obey-the-government-for-gods-sake Former Director. National Memory Master. And if we are talking about homeschooling groups, why not talk about every other event held at churches weddings, funerals, concerts, , etc.. all of these are events that use churches. After corporate peddled ADF membership to churches to help which was completely ineffective because ADF clearly states on their website they dont help with property tax issues they belatedly posted the page you reference. So obviously, since its been at least 5 years since Washington started their stuff, the non profit may be a viable option but its not one thats being promoted or wed see MANY more communities available. The question of exploitation has come up in a few groups Im in, and whether that really applies to CC when its often used to talk about migrant labor, for example, or human trafficking. $15.50 Even the casual observer will recognize that our culture is losingmore likely, has lostits basis for Truth. For a moment forget all the benefit you get from CC and just listen. It is really eye opening since we often hear things like barely getting by, this is ministry, not something you do for money, no one is making millions or just a bunch of homeschool moms as phrases thrown at us and we just do not realize that indeed almost ninety million dollars in commerce is occurring in our churches. CC is doing the same thing, but it's less likely to be spotted due to the fact that they portray themselves as a ministry, "just a group of homeschool moms," along with the fact that often educational institutes are non-profit, so we just assume that's the case. Oh and Ill requote from the same article above Con #3 - Cost. Each of these videos is only about two minutes long and after watching them, you will be able to access more detailed age-focused videos explaining what a typical CC experience would look like for your student. The real truth is that this mandate does not apply to the unborn. They already homeschool, money or no money. Yet numerous government officials told The Roys Report that the amount of rent a church charges a CC chapter has no bearing on whether the church is assessed any related property tax. Note from Julie Anne: Here is a personal account that was sent to me. My decision to leave was mostly due to CC no longer offering what my children needed educationally. Give a gift of any amount to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive In the House of Friends: Understanding and Healing from Spiritual Abuse in Christian Churches by Kenneth Garrett. We have discarded the Bible, so why not also discard the Constitution? TO quote another, if your profit is indeed that low it is because 1) the business model is set up to not allow you to actually be profitable or 2) you spend to much on expenses and didnt do so great at the business management. In heavy-handed legalese, the letter warned that CC would seek injunctive and monetary relief for the irreparable harm you have caused. Attorney Deana Labriola wrote: Classical Conversations demands that you immediately cease . I was surrounded by parents who had a desire to educate excellently, helping me be my best. Topp remains skeptical that CC will reform business practices: Theyre doing quite well financially, so why would they change?, Similarly, Palmer expressed doubts that CC will change its policies. Reread the section on the cleansing of the temple. After all, the latter was built on the former. We equip homeschool parents with the confidence to raise bright, observant students who have a lifelong love of learning. This is the system CC has set up to maximize their income and minimize their risk. Thinking about it all has led me to believe it is important to take a hard look at the commercial activity and the value of that commerce being done in our churches. When sending the refunded amount back to CC, Brown restated his argument in a letter to Bortins, who requested permission to share the letter with the CC network. Margie Wing is a senior specialist property appraiser with the California State Board of Equalization, which enforces property tax laws statewide. Five years ago, in the midst of caring for an elderly parent, I joined a CC campus in our area where several friends were already members. As Proverbs 15:22 states, Plans fail for lack of counsel, but with many advisers they succeed. Even directors who like the program admit to making little money. You knew that this would cause me some tax problems . What do we fall back on to guide us through life? There will be consequences to their choices. Starting in fall 2013, Kristi Bothur, a mother of two children who earned a masters degree in curriculum, spent six years working with a CC chapter in Columbia, South Carolina. Olivia Garden this is a comment from the Facebook group Let Us Reason For Real. Critics say thats because the company fuses spiritual language into its business dealings with contractors, creating a culture of religious obligation. from spreading misinformation to others, including without limitation churches and individuals that have partnered with (CC).. of graduates reported that their teenage faith in Christ was strengthened by attending Classical Conversations. Licensees are encouraged to work with local professionals for their business needs., Based in Southern Pines, North Carolina, Classical Conversations, Inc. has been touted as the Walmart of education and, on its own website, the nations leader in classical, Christian teaching of children.. But what about socialization? And an Army Chaplains Aid, as well as an Air Force Senior Master Sergeant can be threatened with discharge because they made the unconstitutional mistake of speaking their opinion on the gay marriage issue. Another church in California received a similar tax bill in 2016. I am not standing here saying I am exclusively right and my thoughts are the only thoughts. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Like anything man creates, there is brokenness. We have a mandate from the Lord to educate our kids, and every act of obedience is an act of worship.. So, our biblical foundations have been discarded. About 24,500 Challenge students. However, Brown was not aware of the context in which his letter was shared on last springs webinaras Bortins used it to claim that churches being assessed taxes was a non-issue.. There is nothing comparable to our CC family. Developing curriculum and services which ensure Classical Conversations families are equipped to conquer any obstacle in their pursuit of Christ. The local chapter never grew, despite her skill at networking and selling the program. Insiders such as CPA Topp, who have followed CC for years, worry that dozens, or even hundreds, of other churches may be at risk but dont realize it. They also rely on how they know community becomes something families feel they cannot homeschool without, which increases the feeling of Directors being compensated without costing CC Inc financially, because they are really doing it for their kids. When we discarded Gods Word, not only did we eliminate His precepts, but we also abandoned the idea that man answers to a higher authority. So does that mean that while a few are going after CC that they are going after all other groups? With 14 years of prior teaching experience, she easily recruited mothers of school-age children to the CC program, which met weekly in a local church. Adam and Eve discarded Gods words. This is a textbook self-centered and self-righteous comment. Director Portion of Tuition Pad for Challenge Students: 24,500 x $1055 = $25,847,500 This foundation in biblical principle helped steer our culture down the morally right path, whether in government, the courts, the public square, business, or private homes. We are above board in everything that we do., After reading a transcript of that webinar, Pastor Brown responded: This is blatantly false. CCs business model hinges on local groups, which resemble a typical homeschool co-op. If they need to change and redo their model, then that will come out and Im sure that they will. Your comment was like a balm. I think we can all agree on that. Olivia, Much of your comment does not reflect what is in the reporting in the article above (for instance, the value of the company is not addressed here.) She found that aggressive goals written into contractsupdated annually by CCensured her successful team hardly benefited from the education corporations growth. CC is good and bad, but I find the good outweighs the bad imho. 69%. Ive got lots to say about the bad but not today. Topp said two months later, CC COO Keith Denton called and recommended Topp license the book exclusively to CC. A person can dream, right? With insight from our Lord, check yourself.. We not only provide you with a consistent roadmap that you can follow at your own pace, but also connect you with a local homeschool community group, giving you accountability and the support of knowing you are not in this journey alone. Blanket an area with threatening letters, knowing that some of those threatened will shrink back. Or you may just view them as having more opportunities to earn some hard cash. Finding a director in most places around me is like trapping a unicorn. These moms dont even have time to school their kids because theyre too busy running a business for CC. . I am not biblical scholar and consider myself constantly learning, but I have felt this unease and felt led to share. We have not had any issues (with) churches getting fines or anything like that, said CEO Robert Bortins Jr. last year during a webinar for CC directors. The growth I see in my own kids and the students around them speak for themselves, and the relationships forged are absolutely priceless. Classical Conversations Education Resources South Africa trading as Classical Conversations South Africa shall take all reasonable steps to protect the personal information of users. How often, I cannot say. Amir Jaima on the Power of Literature 31. . Yet according to analysis by The Roys Report, local directors make next to nothing working for CC. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. If I told a local Churches on facebook, for instance, that they risk being held liable for property taxes when hosting CC, when in fact I didnt understand the reach of my communication or the fact that tax laws are different in County X and County Y though they happen to share a border in my local vicinitycounties (for instance) should I be held liable for misinformation that potentially harms CC because I dont know the tax laws for each county and dont know that in County Y its totally fine? After a couple of years I put a stop to all that. of parents reported their teen's Christian faith was strong. 6. 2023 Classical Conversations. Tuition Paid for Essentials Students: 25,000 x $335 = $8,375,000 However, the county assessors office still challenged whether the CC groups use of the church was valid since the county did not consider educational usage as worship.. Homeschooling is my job. 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